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Poster: Turnphilup to 11 Date: Dec 30, 2013 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Going Clear

Reading Lawrence Wright's latest on the exploits of Scientology. This tidbit on page 184 struck me unknowingly, "even members of the Grateful Dead were drawn into Scientology, which promised mystical experiences without hallucinogens". That was a first for me to read and learn. Anyone out there know more about this. Sounds like something Bobby could have been attracted to at some point or maybe Donna. Inquiring minds need to know. Peace.

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Poster: timewarpwiretap Date: Dec 30, 2013 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

I'll forget I read that. I mean what was the hook? Scores of virgins would not cut it!!!

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Poster: Weda Date: Mar 17, 2015 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

In 1963 I rented a room in a Victorian on Hamilton ave. in palo alto. willy legate also rented a room there. Most nights the grateful dead (think they called themselves the wildwood boys at the time) practiced in the living room. I remember they brought in bob weir to the band At the time. They were into jug band music and continuously played songs from jim kweskin's jug band album. I was going crazy cuz I had an early morning job and had a hard time sleeping thru the music.

Willy talked about scientology to me, a little. He thought it was great stuff. One day he persuaded me to get on the cans for about half an hour. I thought it was a giggle but wasnt interested in pursuing it further. That's all I know about the dead's connection with scientology.

A few years ago I became interested in scientology when I got a whiff of the narcissistic rage coming from the grand poobah of scientology, David miscavige. Thanks to google I found my way to tony ortegas blog "the underground bunker." This is the place for anyone who wants to know all things scientology. Tony was a main source for Alex gibneys doc "going clear." I'm totally hooked on the bunker...check it out

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Poster: Scrim Date: Dec 31, 2013 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

Not in my circle

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 30, 2013 10:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

Only TC for any length of time, I think. And it was part of the reason he didn't quite fit in; trying to be "clear" was kind of at odds with their choice of recreation/s.

I'm vaguely remembering reading that Hunter had a very brief flirtation with it at one point in the 60s. Although that may have been more on the level of "read a book and thought about it for a day."

Seems like Wright was painting with too broad and unspecific a brush, though.

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Poster: Sansloy Date: Dec 31, 2013 5:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

I remember reading somewhere that TC's Scientology thing was one of the sources of friction between TC and the GD org.

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Poster: JoaRegan7556 Date: Dec 31, 2013 5:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

I thinnk I remember reading that somewhere too.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 31, 2013 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

didn't read it here....

http://archive.org/post/272365/tom-constantens-contribution-to-the-grateful-dead

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 1, 2014 6:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

TC was into it, and that set him at odds with Owsley in particular (though they didn't get along for other reasons as well).

Hunter flirted with it around '65 - he, David Nelson & Willy Legate stayed in Los Angeles for a while to study it (McNally says they were "looking for what they later described as science-fiction magical powers," but soon lost interest). Of course, in those days people were trying all kinds of things - Hunter also tried out Subud spiritualism and the Gurdjieff society.
Weir dabbled in it briefly as well in '69 (under TC's influence), but quit that year. I presume TC dropped it later, too, but I actually don't know when...

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Poster: capsgd Date: Dec 30, 2013 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

several lethal chemicals are 'clear'
that doesn't make then 'good'

Scientology is a shakedown 'Cruise'
with high priced/exclusive seating..Mother Hubbard's motto; "never give a sucker an even break"

the best mystical experiences aren't mystical.

LSD is good at removing hallucinations
-it shows how transitory they are.
Scientology can't do that...because it IS a hallucination.


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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 30, 2013 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

what's your theta reading?

http://www.xenu.net/roland-intro.html

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Dec 30, 2013 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

don'tcha mean "Bobby could have been attracted to Donna at some point maybe" 1978...

;)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 30, 2013 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

Google Tom Constanten and Nicky Hopkins.